MVB to Charles Butler, 8 September 1828

MVB to Charles Butler, 8 September 1828



My dear Sir 

Circumstances have hitherto prevented me from answering your two last. Business first. I have confered with your brother and my friend Mr Bowne upon the subject of your building. We all think that your plan is a good one & that at a proper time you ought to carry it into effect. The present moment however seems to be very inauspicious. Twelve months ago money was dog-cheap & could be got for any time & upon almost any security & probably will be so again in twelve months to come. At this time it is intolerably scarce. When I rcd. your letters, I was preparing a note for the Bank to raise money for the payment of my ordinary & extraordinary expences. Those who owe me either cannot & will not pay me & I must borow for present use. All I have however & that is credit is at your service. I proposed to your brother that we should apply to Wm. James & offer to guaranty your security by our personal obligation. He But we thought best first to make the suggestion of delay to you & wait the expression of your wishes upon the subject. I have no doubt that after a while the money can be got without difficulty. Upon the other matter I will observe as follows. There is I think nothing to be apprehended for the circumstance is relative to Judge Birdsail as far as it has yet gone it subsumes the general & true intrest & I am persuaded that there cannot be the slightest doubt of the result. As far as I can comprehend the matter, it originates at Rochester & probably with our friend Griffin who would well supply the Judges place. I am at a loss to say whether or not it wold be advisable to publish any thing upon the subject. Perhaps it may be better to omit it. But assuming that you are determined to have the <candidate>^ <illegible> <illegible> <illegible> I would prepare a letter to Genl. Pitcher & have it sent to him a few days before the convention. In it I would set forth frankly & kindly the reasons which compel the Republicans of the West to insist on a candidate for Leut Govr. without expressly asking him to do any thing upon the subject but leave that to his own discretion. The reasons to be alledged will readily occur to you. Among them are the following, the extent & force of the anti masonic feeling, the conviction of all our masonic friends that it would in addition to its certain injury to the cause be highly injurious, to them personally to have any masons brought forward at this time & their consequent universal determination to hold back. To this may with propriety be added that the neglect of the west <illegible> on the part of our friends if no candidate is taken from there will be so apparent that our enemies will be able ^with it^ in addition to the other difficulty to defeat his election with <illegible>. The fact that the Chancellor Chief Justice Secretary of State & Leut Govr. are now all from the 4th. Senatorial District whilst not a single state ^o <illegible>^ officer or one U. S. is from the west may be stated with the addition that however <much> ^ready^ you might be to overlook those things there is no security that the great body of the people will be equally willing to do so when it is urged agt. us by our opponents. You will of course express yourself  ^as you really friend^ very friendly to him and speak of the pleasure you will take  in manifesting ^<illegible>^ your sense of his claims upon the party for acquiesing in a result which circumstances have made necessary, but dont hold out to him any thing in a specific shape or say any thing which might be turned agt you if he should behave bad. I must enjoin it upon you strictly to be very cautious with this letter. Shew it to no one save Judge Throop & Mr Garrow for the subject would be injurious ^however unexceptionable my interference may have been^. It would be well for you to go to Auburn & with these two gentlemen draw up the letter and then take the necessary steps to have it as extensively signed as practicable. For the expences growing out of the matter provision will ^if necessary^ be made ^by our committee^, observe the strictest circumspection. When you have shew this to the gentlemen mentind destroy it. I had written thus far when I rcd. your last letter. If you still wish the application to be made to Mr <James>  write me such a letter contang the terms as will <so> to shew to Mr James ^him^. Make my best wishes to your very excellent lady & believe me to be <an>

very sincerely yr 




M. Van Buren

Sept 8. 1828

Instruction about political 

moves, with a view to Throop being

made Lieut. Govr.

Urged necessity of 

this letter being confidential

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